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Before reading this article, I think it's important to take a moment to thank Mikey Carey and Jordan Lurie for conducting the interview. Insight into the minds of the one the greatest writers of the history of the X-Men is, indeed, the highest honour for us to receive. Mike Carey's strong storytelling and compelling words are only matched by his generosity. We thank him sincerely for the opportunity to look deeper into the characters we love that have been so rightfully placed in his hands. Jordan Lurie's commitment to asking the right questions and initiative to get the interview are truly commendable and he is now my personal rock star. I hope everyone finds this interview as revealing and powerful as I did. Allow me to introduce Jordan Lurie's interview of Mike Carey, writer of X-Men: Legacy.
In 2006 the X-men line welcomed new writer Mike Carey to take the reigns of “Adejctiveless X-men” and ushered in a new era for the team. Met with critical and commercial acclaim Mike Carey’s X-work has since evolved since his venture with the team. Mike is currently writing X-men: Legacy chronicling the journey of longtime X-men leader Prof. X as well as the Secret Invasion: X-men and the X-men: Manifest Destiny miniseries. Mike was kind enough to take time out of his schedule to answer a few questions about his X-work and the future of the line.
X-Men Fan Site: Let's start with your beginnings, how did you break into the comic
industry? Did you always aspire to be a writer?
Mike Carey: I always wrote - but that's not the same thing. For a long time I did it as
a hobby, and indulged the fantasy of writing for a living in the same way as
I indulged the fantasy of stealing Mrs. Peel away from John Steed (do the
math - I date back to the Carboniferous period). Then I got into writing
reviews and articles for comic fanzines, and through that I got into writing
actual comics. It was still a hobby, in that it didn't pay enough to cover
the money it cost to mail off scripts (now we're in the early industrial
epoch), but it was feeling sort of real by this time. I worked my way up
through the UK and American Indie scenes, via Malibu and Caliber to DC. I
was teaching for a living, and I reached a point where I suddenly realised
that writing was actually paying more, day for day and hour for hour. I
took a chance and cut loose. Actually, it wasn't much of a chance. At that
time, I could have gone back into teaching a year later like catching the
next bus: now, not so much.
X-Men Fan Site: Did you grow up reading the X-men? If so, what time period?
Mike Carey: Yes. From #1 onwards, but in UK reprints several years after the fact. I
read the first run of the X-Men in the late sixties, then I got hooked on
Claremont's X-Men a decade later, coming onboard with #108. I was a faithul
reader of Uncanny for a good six or seven years straight - through the debut
of New Mutants and X-Factor. Then after that, when the franchise exploded,
I cherry-picked - went through gluts and lean years, but generally kept in
touch all the way through to Grant Morrison's stint on (as it then was) New
X-Men. Don't get me wrong - there are huge gaps in my knowledge of
X-continuity. But there's a mis-spent youth's worth of direct knowledge in
there, too.
X-Men Fan Site: Any favorite characters, writers, story lines?
Mike Carey: Are you kidding me? Yes, there are.
The first Claremont run is an incredible achievement. Parts of it read
clunky now because narrative formulas change over time, but for raw
imagination and for the sheer scale of what it added to the mythos, it can't
be touched. And once you've got your ear in, it sings to you.
Fabian Nicieza is a hugely talented writer, and produced subtle, clever,
moving storylines at a time when the comics industry as a whole was chasing
foil-embossed variant covers like there was no tomorrow.
Grant Morrison's New X-Men run was immaculate. Grant always throws caltrops
in his wake, but man, what a ride. What a frigging ride!
X-Men Fan Site: Starting as an indie writer, how did you land the X-men job?
Mike Carey: I'd have to say, pure dumb luck. Axel Alonso saw something in my writing
that made him think I had mainstream superhero books in my destiny. And the
weird thing was, I really did, but I didn't think I'd tipped my hand.
I met Axel at San Diego Comicon in 2003, and we really hit it off. He told
me to go through him if I ever wanted to pitch anything at Marvel, and then
a year or so later I made a very tentative throat-clearing noise, having
come out of a whole lot of commitments and finding myself in that deafening
silence between commissions. The next thing I knew, I got a call from
Michael Marts to invite me to pitch for X-Men.
X-Men Fan Site: Your first team on adjectiveless X-men was very unconventional.
You mixed classic characters like Iceman with villains like Mystique and
relatively obscure characters like Karima. What went through your mind
when you chose your team?
Mike Carey I was working from two principles. I wanted a team that I felt I could
voice convincingly - in other words, characters I felt I understood - and I
wanted a dynamic with lots of potential for conflict and interesting
tensions.
Rogue, Iceman and Cannonball were easy choices. They're all three of them
very cool and compelling characters, and they're uber-powerful,
uber-experienced X-Men who could plausibly form the solid core of a new
team. They also share a lot of backstory - by which I mean they've worked
well together in the past, in various combinations.
Then working outwards from that core, I layered in the complications - the
unstable, unproven or incompatible characters. Mystique plays well off
Rogue, and I had an idea for making her play well off Iceman, too. Lady
Mastermind and Sabretooth are antagonistic to everyone, and trouble in all
sorts of ways - but in very different ways, which is cool. Karima I just
liked, and wanted to dust off, and Cable was an inspired suggestion from
Mike M after I asked for Psylocke but found her already taken. We needed
someone with psi-powers, and Cable brought some cool and interesting baggage
of his own because of the things that Fabe was doing with him over in Cable
and Deadpool. And yeah, I'm aware that by putting Cable into a front-line
X-team I had a hand in killing that book. I wish I hadn't, even though
Cable was a great fit for Adjectiveless.
X-Men Fan Site: Over the course of your X-men run you've worked with great artists like
Chris Bachalo Scot Eaton and even John Romita Jr. What's it like seeing
their penciled work before anyone else? Any specific artists you would
like to work with in the future?
Mike Carey This is what's called a softball question, right? :) It's always really
exciting when the pencils come in and the story starts to take shape on the
page - and working with some of the giants of the medium is one of the perks
that comes with the X-Men gig. Scot's been going from strength to strength
on Legacy - just doing phenomenal work - and having JrJr draw from my script
was a huge pleasure.
Who would I like to work with in the future? Mike Perkins, always. Peter
Gross, always. Mike Choi and Sonia Oback, who did such a fantastic job of
X-Men#204. Bryan Hitch. Rags Morales. Chris Bachalo again... I've got a
wish list as long as your arm, basically.
X-Men Fan Site: You contributed some of the strongest chapters to the Messiah Complex
crossover. One issue that particularly stuck in my mind was the issue
where Madrox and Layla where processed in the concentration camp. What was
it like to write an issue with such powerful subject matter?
Mike Carey My background is in horror fantasy, ranging from the mythic to the visceral
by way of the pretty f*cked-up. I'm drawn to the dark side, you could say.
The concentration camp scenes had to be made as grim and degrading as
possible if they were going to work in terms of establishing Bishop's
motivation: this is the world he came from, and we have to believe he'd be
prepared to kill an innocent to stop that world from coming into existence.
I didn't want to write torture porn, and I didn't want to have gratuitous
scenes involving expendable characters - so I had to show Layla and Jamie
being brutalised and dehumanised in ways that would carry a real emotional
punch. I think the beat that worked there was having the marker, Whitman,
be a sexual prude. He'd never dream of using his skills on a female inmate.
"What do you think we are, animals?" Look, this monster has a moral code.
It was meant to show how people in that situation, doing those kind of
things, can still convince themselves they're decent people.
X-Men Fan Site: One of my favorite characters, Lady Mastermind seemed to die in the
crossover. But as we all know death doesn't stick too well in the X-men
universe. Can we ever expect to see Regan again?
Mike Carey Oh man, I hope so. I loved writing that snide, selfish, psychopathic
sweetheart. But it was a pretty horrific wound. You can only do that
back-fron-the-dead routine a certain number of times...
X-Men Fan Site: In the Divided We Stand mini-series you wrote stories about two
characters you seem to show great affinity for, Cannonball and the Beast.
What about these characters appeals to you?
Mike Carey I like Sam partly because we've seen every stage of his growth: seen him
plausibly and sympathetically turn from a child into a man - and an
admirable man, at that. And partly it's just that he's got a sort of
chivalry about him - an absolute humanity and decency. Can you imagine a
dark Cannonball? I can't. He's X-Man as Everyman. I feel like he's
someone I went to school with.
Beast is cool because he's an intellectual in the body of a ferocious
predator: he's the Beast of "Beauty and the", his scary exterior concealing
sensitivity and intelligence. He's also really, really funny - the king of
the dry one-liner. How cool is it that the smartest guy in the room has
fangs and claws, and still looks great in a tux?
X-Men Fan Site: Was it your idea to turn your X-men team book into being about Xavier
or was it editorials? And why was he chosen to be the central character?
Mike Carey It was an idea that grew out of an editorial imperative, but it was as much
my idea as anyone's. The editorial input was that every X-Men book,
post-Messiah Complex, needed to have a unique role in the line as a whole.
That meant not rolling straight on with Adjectiveless as another team book.
From that we developed jointly the idea of Professor X having a quest of
self-discovery after he recovers from his wound, and of using the quest as a
way of exploring a lot of key moments in the X-Men's backstory. Why
Professor X? Because he was the catalyst for so much of that backstory: his
story *is* the story of the X-Men.
X-Men Fan Site: How do you reconcile, in your head, the Professor X of Deadly Genesis,
Onslaught, and Astonishing X-Men with the Professor Xavier who has helped
save young mutants from a life of discrimination and oppression?
Mike Carey:There's a short answer to that and a long answer. The short answer is -
with apologies to Walt Whitman - we all contain multitudes. Our actions in
real life aren't always consistent, so we shouldn't expect fictional
characters to have one fixed, definable, unchanging identity either.
The long answer is about idealism as opposed to sainthood. Cyclops makes
the point in Legacy#215 that the X-Men have met a whole lot of idealists
who've basically used their ideals to justify atrocities. Magneto is the
most obvious example, but you can draw up the list yourself. Professor X
has done great and noble things in pursuit of his vision, but he's done
questionable things, too. I don't have any problem in reconciling those two
aspects of the character.
What's interesting about Professor X's present situation is that he's coming
in almost as an outsider and having to come to terms himself with all the
things he's done, both good and bad, over the years. This is precisely the
conundrum he's wrestling with: how far do the ends justify the means, and
how far does the good offset the bad?
X-Men Fan Site: Who do you think is the love of Xavier's life? Amelia Voght? Gabrielle
Haller? Lilandra Neramani? Jean Grey (I shudder to think)?
Mike Carey Life's not like that. The thing about love is that it's all-engrossing and
all-consuming when you're inside it: every love is the love of your life at
the time. If I had to pick one name out of that list, it would be Lilandra,
but I don't think it's something you can do.
X-Men Fan Site: If you could assign X-Men: Legacy a tagline, what would it be?
Mike Carey: "He's back. And this time he's amnesiac."
No, not really. How about "Their lives. Their deaths. His journey."
X-Men Fan Site: : How would you describe the journey Xavier is on and how can we, as the
audience, identify with it?
Mike Carey: Okay, this is going to sound really pretentious, but there's that
Kierkegaard quote about how we live our lives forwards but understand them
backwards. It's that. It's the quest to understand yourself, to find out
who you really are, but retrospectively and externally, on the basis of what
you've done and the difference you've made, not on the basis of what you
thought and felt. Normally when we talk about finding ourselves, we really
mean finding a life that matches our perceptions and definitions of
ourselves. Professor Xavier is finding himself in a scarier and more
existential sense: he's investigating himself, and sitting in judgment on
what he discovers.
And when I take a step back from that, I realize that it's very much a
stage-of-life thing: probably easier for an older reader to identify with,
because it's usually not something you feel the urge to do until you hit a
certain age and the gap between your aspirations and your achievements
really starts to open up.
X-Men Fan Site: Where does Xavier's need to create a sanctuary for mutants and create
the X-Men come from?
Mike Carey: I wouldn't want to give a glib one-line answer to that question. Maybe the
initial impetus comes from his own experiences of childhood rejection and
abuse, but we're never going to know. It's just a part - a big part - of
who he is. He has a huge sense of personal and social responsibility, and -
through his powers - a much greater than average ability to empathise with
the pains and insecurities of others. At some point those things became
part of the bedrock of his personality.
X-Men Fan Site: What are the challenges of writing X-Men: Legacy? Of Xavier being the
lead character?
Mike Carey: The biggest challenge from a logistic point of view was - and still is -
keeping abreast of all the material I want to reference. I could have taken
the low road, and only referenced issues that had been collected and were
ready to hand, but I wanted to try to cover a real breadth of material and
give a sense of the huge, epic scale of the X-Men backstory. So I filled as
many of the gaps in my collection as I could, by fair means and foul, and I
read voraciously. Each arc usually involves another reading binge as I
select the stories I want to use as structural lynch-pins.
The creative challenge, though - of getting into Professor X's head - is
bigger than that, and is the reason I embarked on this project in the first
place. I love the character, and I loved the idea of finally - after forty
years - having his story be the one we follow. It's the thread that takes
you to the heart of the maze.
X-Men Fan Site: Do you think Professor X is a good man? Is he moral?
Mike Carey: The second part of that question is the easiest. Yes, he is very definitely
moral, in the sense of always approaching his actions and decisions from a
conscious and thought-out awareness of their moral implications. If the
Juggernaut is the incarnation of blind, unstoppable force, Professor X
exactly counter-balances him: his key note is precisely the making of moral
choices from an awareness of where they will or could lead. He may make the
wrong choices sometimes, and do things that other people - including the
reader - would see as reprehensible. But he never does them with an amoral
disregard of consequences, and he never walks away from those consequences.
Is he a good man? Yes. Period.
X-Men Fan Site: You created a new character recently, Miss Sinister. What can we
expect from this character other than being Nathaniel Essex with a sex
change?
Mike Carey: She's more whimsical and sadistic than Essex, actually. She may be a
transposed clone of Mister Sinister, but her life experiences have been
different from his and she's turned out somewhat differently. She's
seriously damaged goods, as we get to see in Original Sin: the last person
in the world you'd want to give Sinister's powers to - and she's barely
begun to come into those powers.
X-Men Fan Site: A crossover with Wolverine Origins is also coming out soon that you
co-wrote with Daniel Way. What was that experience like?
Mike Carey: It was a whole lot of fun. The timing was just perfect, really. Wolverine
was always on the list of X-Men who Xavier would have to visit in the course
of the Legacy uber-arc, and the storyline in Origins about Daken's amnesia
allowed us to run the two titles together in a way that made a lot of sense.
Daniel's great to work with - a great collaborator.
X-Men Fan Site: The December issue of X-men Legacy focuses on Xavier and the
Juggernaut. What are your thoughts on their relationship?
Mike Carey: It's a Cain and Abel dynamic, and it's fascinating for that reason. In
Genesis, Cain doesn't kill Abel until after God has rejected him publicly
and rubbed his nose in the fact. Similarly, the root of the enmity between
Charles Xavier and Cain Marko is the abusive and toxic relationship they
both had with Cain's father. I prefer Juggernaut when he's irreconcilable:
he's one character who - for me, anyway - works best outside the X-Men's big
tent.
X-Men Fan Site: We've also seen Rogue come back recently. She also recently ranked
number one on the Comic Book Resources top 50 X-men list by the fans.
Where do you think her popularity comes from? What can fans expect for her
future?
Mike Carey: I can only tell you why I love her, and actually I can't even be eloquent
about that. Most characters who really get under your skin do so for
reasons that are hard to articulate. Rogue's predicament - the way her
power is her curse and her liability, and the way she's so irrevocably
isolated by it - is very easy to relate to, but it's got to be more than
that. I like her voice. I like the way she can be up-front without ever
losing her dignity. I like the fact that she's passionate and yet
restrained (passion in chains is way sexier than passion unleashed). I like
the fact that she's full of surprises - the X-Men's greatest wild card. I
like the contradictions and complications in her: that you can't pin her
down in a single phrase.
For Rogue's future... expect a huge surprise in Legacy#224, and some
exciting developments immediately arising from that.
X-Men Fan Site: The Rogue/Gambit relationship has a very love/hate reaction from fans.
What are your thoughts on that pairing?
Mike Carey: I like the dynamic between them, but I think they're strong enough apart
that it shouldn't be automatic to put them together whenever they're
on-stage. Okay, they'll always be a big part of each other's lives, but
there's a danger of defaulting back to a boom-and-bust model where Rogue
suspects Remy, then is reconciled with him, then back to suspicion again.
I'm going to have some Rogue-Gambit beats coming up very soon, but I'm not
going to take it in the most obvious direction.
X-Men Fan Site: Your Iceman story in the Manifest Destiny mini-series sees the return
of Mystique after her fate was left in the air after the previous
Wolverine arc. Can we expect to see how she escaped?
Mike Carey: No. You have to fill that part in for yourself.
X-Men Fan Site: Also, why did you choose Iceman for your story?
Mike Carey: For the same reason I chose Beast and Cannonball in DWS, and Brand in WDYT.
I like Iceman. I want to keep him in the spotlight, and I want to move his
story along. Again, it ticks me off sometimes that Iceman has had a
staccato character arc, developing and then regressing, where other
characters have been allowed to grow up in convincing and consistent ways.
I sort of want to get him off that hook.
X-Men Fan Site: You're also writing the Secret Invasion: X-men mini-series. After the
X-men related mini-series tie-ing into "Civil War" and "World War Hulk"
not having lasting ramifications for the team can we expect any big
changes for the X-men after this story?
Mike Carey: It's a self-contained story, but some of the character interactions,
especially in parts 3 and 4, play into broader themes that will be developed
across the line in 2009. Watch Beast, particularly.
X-Men Fan Site: Do you have any other non-X-men related projects coming out or already
released you think X-men fans would enjoy?
Mike Carey: Well I'm writing a series of novels now, which are being published in both
the UK and America. They're supernatural crime thrillers in a noir vein,
with a central character who's a freelance exorcist - an exorcist who wears
a trenchcoat and does it for the money. The first book is called The Devil
You Know, and the second is Vicius Circle. I'm really happy with how
they're going: it's been a huge blast writing prose, and the series is
building nicely towards some huge revelations about how the worlds of the
living and the dead are inter-connected.
X-Men Fan Site: In various X-books we've seen the new X-men base referred to as a
school but in others we've only seen the core team hanging around while
the students are nowhere to be found. Are the former X-students still in
San Francisco with the X-men?
Mike Carey: Yeah, they are. You'll be seeing some of them very soon.
X-Men Fan Site: : And finally which X-men strategy is more effective, Rogue's "Pentangle
Formation" or Emma's "Extraction Variant Epsilon"?
Mike Carey: Pentangle formation, without a doubt - it's got 40% more X-Men.
X-Men Fan Site: On behalf of xmenfansite.com, thanks for taking time out to answer these
questions Mr. Carey.
Mike Carey: My pleasure...
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